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HMS GANGES Devonport Division Meeting – May 2017

Forwarded by Basil Downing-Waite

H.M.S. “GANGES” ASSOCIATION DEVONPORT DIVISION

General Meeting Tuesday 2nd May 2017

 

Apologies.  Joe & Thelma Main, Bill & Christine Mansfield, Dave & Linn Skinner, Jean Bartlett, Mike & Wendy Phillips, Fred & Joan Ford, Charlie & Penny Reid, Scouse & Christine Mansfield, Jim & Sue Murphy, Terry Thomas.

MINUTES OF LAST MEETING: Read and accepted.

MATTERS ARISING. None

SECRETARY: Overseas News Letters received and distributed. Everything continues to move along OK.

TREASURER: Sue continues to be happy with the level of finance.

FUTURE EVENTS 2017

MAY: Saturday 20th, chicken and chips social. £5.00 per head payable in advance, please.

JUNE. Sunday 18th Weymouth Veterans Parade. Saturday 24th Armed Forces Day.

JULY> Friday 7th. Ladies Night. Wednesday 12th, Lunch with the Cornwall Division at Windy Ridge. Saturday 29th. Black Tot Bar-B.Q.

SEPTEMBER. Saturday 2nd Social event organised by the ladies.

 FEDERATION.  Bill the reported all is well.  Royal Marine Band booked for Remembrance Festival.

Standards requested for May.

Friday May 19th Lord Mayors Choosing Guildhall. Muster 10:00

Sunday May 21st Lord Mayors Civic Service St Andrews.  Muster 10:00

Friday 26th May.  U.S Naval Memorial. Tarmar Bridge car park. Muster 11:30

Sunday 28th May. Malay & Borneo Vets. Belvedere Garden the Hoe. Muster time TBA

WELFARE REPORT. Joe & Thelma. Thelma is soon being discharged from Hospital following extensive check-ups. Betty Hutson is in contact with them. Scouse Mansfiled. Continues to have good days and bad days. Shirley Saunders Continues to make progress following knee surgery and hopes to be back on board soon.

Jean Bartlett. Jean has recently moved home but unfortunate has suffered a stroke in her right eye that is obviously restricting her mobility having to give up driving. Basil has assured Jean that she remains on our books and arrangements can be made to transport her to any of our meetings or events she may wish to attend. Terry Thomas is suffering from a leg problem so will be out of commission for a time.  We wish them a speedy return to more comfortable days.

 ANY OTHER BUSINESS.

 1.  Ron Dawson Funeral. This was carried out exactly as Audrey wanted according to Ron’s wishes. It was a dignified and quiet event. With several of our members being unable to attend as they were at the National reunion, four of our members with their wives attended and the family were very pleased.

  1.  Junior Field Gun Festival. Having attended Dave Hutson gave a report. It was somewhat disappointing that it only had two Schools participated but it was assumed it was because that several schools had children participating in the half marathon that had taken place in the morning.
  2. 3.  National re-union feedback. Smudge Smith read out a report that indicated it was a good re-union enjoyed by all.

 THE RAFFLE raised the sum of £61.00. Thanks to all those who donated prizes.

NEXT MEETING: Tuesday 6th June 2017.

 

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Bernard Smith – Mike Maries – Mike Phillips 

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Sam Raspision, Tony Cooke, Mike Newstead                       Church Service

Tony Griffiths and Basil Downing-Waite

 

Basil

Newsletter May 2017

This newslewtter will also be emailed to all members and associates

NEW STATE CREST

H.M.S. GANGES ASSOCIATION (QUEENSLAND DIVISON). INC.

 

NEWSLETTER 57

 

MAY2017

 

 Hi everyone,

 

Well another month has sailed into history, last month we saw the sudden passing of the South Australian President Mr David Friend, and in February we saw the passing of one of our own – CMDR Hugh Wills RN CJX871564 – Collingwood Division – 44U Class – who joined Ganges 03-06-1949.

 

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Hugh was also an author having written a book by the name of ‘The Bosun’s Call’ which is available from Amazon for $5.32 (the link to the Amazon page is at the end of this newsletter)

 

The Bosun’s Call describes the author’s hilarious experiences during his time spent on the ‘lower deck’ in the Royal Navy; starting as a Boy Seaman, he slowly makes his uncertain way towards his goal of becoming a Naval Officer. Covering the years 1949 to 1956, we experience a Country still on wartime rationing, low pay, strict discipline and a time of general drabness. Yet despite this, most young people were filled with optimism brought beautifully to life in this tale of eccentric and colourful characters serving on both the lower deck and in the wardroom.

The 1950s embraced the evening of Britain’s naval might when individuality and initiative breathed more freely; the days before the stream of defence cuts, back-seat driving, an overzealous ‘nanny state’ and political correctness began to militate against the Royal Navy’s presence and her people. But Hugh Willis has faith. He knows that the spirit, determination, common sense and inimitable humour of our sailors’ will continue to flourish while they still sail the ‘Seven Seas’.

 AGM Date

And, as pointed out by many, I promulgated the incorrect date for the AGM in June, it is actually on the 24th not the 23rd as I posted, apologies for the error.

Request from RN Archives

I have also found an interesting site on which the RN Research Archive have posted a number of photographs which seem to remain a mystery and are asking if anyone can

identify them, they range from establishments to ports to ships, if your interested have a look at

 

http://www.royalnavyresearcharchive.org.uk/Mystery_photos.htm

 

ANZAC Day

Also many thanks for all those who participated in the ANZAC Day Dawn Service and march, as you are aware it commemorates the members of the Australian and

New Zealand Army Corps (ANZAC) who fought at Gallipoli  in the Ottoman Empire during World War I. We now also remember all “who served and died in all wars, conflicts, and peacekeeping operations” and “the contribution and suffering of all those who have served.”

 Victorian Division

The Victorian Division is having a ‘get together’ – details are:

 

The Victorian Division invites graduates of the Admiralty finishing school, instructors ships company their friends, families and associates to participate in an enjoyable time  of fun, friendship and various activities at the:-

Victorian Division Five Night Get Together at Yarrawonga/Mulwala

When From Sunday October  Monday 16th-Friday 21st..  October 2017

Where Yarrawonga Mulwala

 

 

The ‘Tot”

In closing I’d like to post a brief history of the “tot” written by Harry Sword

Imagine downing half a pint of overproof rum and then going back to work. Now, let’s imagine work happened to be on the decks of a vast 18th-century Royal Navy ship. We’re talking old-school sea stuff here: complex knots, gunpowder kegs, cannon balls, climbing up rigging, etc.
Feel a little woozy, eh? All thumbs, perhaps?

Well, folks, this is no fantasy. Until July 31, 1970, bracingly strong overproof rum was a vital part of the fabric of the British Navy—rationed, used as a currency, and a veritable way of life.

“The daily tot”—or rum ration—was an eagerly anticipated daily ritual for generations of sailors, serving both to boost morale and provide a stern alcoholic kick to the chops, a comfort to sailors used to dodging cannonballs, grapeshot, and the lash.

But why rum? While the cliche of the drunken sailor—staggering on the docks after a night

of hell-raising in some seamy fleshpot—is deeply ingrained in the national subconscious, it bears mentioning that rum was not always the Naval drink of choice. Until the Napoleonic Wars, sailors were given a staggering gallon of beer per day, per man, instead of water. Soaring temperatures below deck—in the stinking bowels of the hold—saw that water, encased as it was in rotting oak barrels, would quickly become covered in a thick layer of green mould. This led to stronger brews being developed that could withhold the rigours of longer journeys; but they too were prone to rot, and so a stronger solution was sought.

In the 17th century, the men were given French brandy; later, sailors from the East India Company adopted a fearsome Indian spirit called arak. However, this came to be mistrusted by sailors, due to its unpredictable—and often violently sickening—effects. Gareth Oliver describes the devastating effect in his Oxford Companion to Beer:

“Madeira, Beer and Wine were imported from England by the Captains of the ships—the East India Men—but were originally available in small quantities at steep prices. Instead, many favoured the local alternative. Arak was, by any standards, a hard-core liquor. The local version was made by fermenting raw palm juice in the hot sun …that was it. Several of the first Englishmen to try it died after a 12-hour session and it went onto claim countless lives.”
Rum, meanwhile, had the advantage of being both easily available from the Caribbean colonies and a more stable drink. By 1731, it was the drink of choice for the Navy and was issued twice daily to the men—neat overproof rum—in half pints. Indeed the very term “overproof” has its origins in this period; sailors would test the purity of rum by dousing gunpowder in the spirit and setting it on fire, thus “proving” that the drink was of sufficient strength (i.e., 57 percent alcohol by volume).

You gotta be sure it’s pure, right?

The rum ration itself came with its own ritual attached. Issued between 11 AM and noon, sailors would shout, “Stand fast for the Holy Ghost.” Each battalion would have an assigned “rum bosun” (or boatswain) whose job it would be to spoon out the rum. The glasses themselves were never washed, as it was believed that the accumulative effect of the residue would provide a progressively stronger tot.

But although rum was massively popular among the sailors, there were attendant problems—namely, drunkenness and ill-discipline. After all, we’re talking vast quantities of strong spirits consumed twice daily, often in full glare of the baking sun.

How to combat this? How to pacify men who were, by now, all but genetically programmed to quaff huge drafts of spirits, twice daily, on the clock?

A chap called Admiral Vernon—commander in chief of the West Indies Station—thought he had the answer: Water it down a bit! As you might imagine, this was not the most popular of policies among the swarthy seadogs, but it was one he felt to be absolutely necessary. On August 21, 1740, he issued his infamous Order No. 349 to captains, stating:

“[The rum should] be every day mixed with the proportion of a quart of water to a half pint of rum, to be mixed in a scuttled butt kept for that purpose, and to be done upon the deck, and in the presence of the Lieutenant of the Watch who is to take particular care to see that the men are not defrauded in having their full allowance of rum … and let those that are good husband men receive extra lime juice and sugar that it be made more palatable

to them.”

Vernon was alarmed by what he saw as wanton drunkenness on board, and his decree was specifically designed to stop what he described as“ the pernicious custom of the seaman drinking their allowance of rum in drams, and often at once, attended with many fatal effects to their morals as well as their health … besides the ill consequences of stupefying their rational qualities.”

Whether this was effective in combating drunkenness is debatable. After all, the men would still be getting the full half pint of rum, just with a little water added. Crafty sailors could still simply save up their rations and down them in one go, in an almighty binge.

The thwacking great dose of booze was still relatively pure, bar the sugar and lime juice. The latter, incidentally, was not just for show—it was used to ward off scurvy. (It’s also the origin of the term “limey” to describe an Englishman.) Popular or not, the resulting mixture—overproof rum, water, sugar and lime juice—was nicknamed “grog” by sailors (reportedly the result of Admiral Vernon’s wearing of a grogram cloak). The gloriously named “scuttled butt” listed in Vernon’s decree was soon issued to all Naval ships, rechristened the “grog tub,” while “splice the mainbrace” was (and remains) the order a captain can give to issue all hands a drink.

Rum was more than mere drink on board, however. It was also used as informal currency. The system was worked out according to how much of another sailors tot you took: a “wet” was the equivalent of covering your lips with rum, but not actually swallowing any of the liquid; a “sipper” was a small sip; a “gulper” was one large swallow. The most prized of all was the dubiously named “sandy bottoms” or drinking the entirety of another man’s tot—a rare privilege used to settle debts.

And so, until 1971, rum remained part of the very fabric of sailing life, though not in such foolhardy quantities. The tot itself was reduced twice from its original mighty half pint. In 1823, it was cut to a quarter pint; it was cut once more to an eighth of a pint in 1850, where it remained until 1970. Known as “Black Tot Day,” July 31, 1970 was the last day that the Royal Navy were rationed a tot of rum. It was a day of serious mourning.

On December 17, 1969 The Admiralty Board wrote to the House of Commons, stating, “The Admiralty Board concludes that the rum issue is no longer compatible with the high standards of efficiency required now that the individual’s tasks in ships are concerned with complex, and often delicate, machinery and systems on the correct functioning of which people’s lives may depend.”

Thus the ration was consigned to history. Sailors wore black armbands for the poor lost spirit; some held a funeral for their tots, pouring them into the sea in ceremonial burial. A vital part of British boozing history was consigned to the briny deep forever.

Splice the mainbrace!

This article originally appeared on MUNCHIES in September 2015.

 

 

Link to Hugh Willis’ book – https://www.amazon.com.au/BOSUNS-CALL-Hugh-Willis/dp/B00NK40Y36/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1493457357&sr=8-1&keywords=the+bosuns+call

 

 

Regards and Stand Easy

 

Scotty

 

 

To contact Scotty

Graham Slaney

3/12-14 Musgrave St, KIRRA, Qld 4225

 Phone  0434896017.

e-mail scottyslaney@gmail.com

skype: G50raham@hotmail.com

 

 

P>S> If you no longer wish to receive newsletters from sunny Queensland, please advise and I will remove your details from the list. Until we meet again, fair winds to you all..

 

PPS… For those living on the Gold Coast, if you would like a lift to the AGM please let me know..

 

Victorian Division Get Together

H.M.S. Ganges association

Victorian division

 

 

Invite graduates of the Admiralty finishing school, instructors ships company their friends, families and associates to participate in an enjoyable time  of fun, friendship and various activities at the:-

Victorian Division Five Night Get Together at Yarrawonga/Mulwala

When From Sunday October  Monday 16th-Friday 21st..  October 2017

Where Yarrawonga Mulwala

Cost

 

It was decided that this year’s Victorian get together would be at Yarrawonga for five nights Monday 16th October to Friday 21st. with accommodation at Club Mulwala  Resort 271 Melbourne Street, Mulwala, NSW 2647. This is adjacent to RSL Club Mulwala. All are welcome to attend.

The resort has a variety of room configurations the price is based on a standard room. Cost of a room per day is $160 however for  $5 membership of the club the price is $128 with membership gaining discounts on food and beverages.

If you are interested please contact Secretary Harry at this email address or mobile 0418809712. Or Chairman David at tyabbhookman@gmail.com mobile 0421068443 Thank you

Regards Aye Chairman David Lines and Secretary Harry Harrison

HMS GANGES Victorian Division Newsletter December 2018

 

Victoria Australia

Chairman: David Lines.   Secretary: Harry Harrison 36 Barretts Road Langwarrin South Vic 3911

Telephone Harry 03-9728-3200  Email:rodneyharrison@bigpond.com

MASTHEAD No. 241

Chairman David Lines     Opened the meeting and welcomed John and Ann Horner for making the trip from Gisborne. A warm welcome was extended to Bill Agnew and Owen and Carmen Dingle good to have them aboard after a lengthy absence. A warm welcome to all.

A tab was opened at the bar for the ladies to have a drink.

Birthdays   November Winfrede Agnew, Winifred Harrison, Mike Bennett, John Hillman and Pat Vary Best wishes to all. Also our congratulations to Owen and Carmel, who celebrated their 71st. wedding anniversary on the 18th. October Bravo Zulu Owen and Carmel.

Apologies John and Maureen Hannant, Winifred Harrison

 Sick List.  Albie Cunliffe has a virus and is unable to attend. Winifred Harrison is still in hospital.

Treasurers Report  Total in account $3,851:62.

Correspondence  Bank Statement, WA Hoist, Shotley Buzz 55,Queensland News Letter

UK Association   The Association is moving along positively. Members will receive a 2019 endorsement for their membership card in the next gazette. Dues are payable through Brenda Chitty the Australian Financial Administrator for the Association.

We received a comprehensive financial report from the Treasurer Phil Bridge. Members received the report and the general opinion is that it is good to see the Association in good shape in the black and donating to worthy causes.BZ to Phil and the committee.

Last year Treasurer Phil underwent a hip replacement this year Phil informs us that he marched the full distance on Remembrance Day. BZ Phil and the Ganges Company.

We the Victorian Division wish the Chairman Colin Gent the committee and all members a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

General Business   1) The kick off meeting will be held on Sunday 20th. January 2019 At a cost of $36 pp, at the FNMC Catering will be as it was last year.By Cheryl of Gourmet Catering. Those wishing to attend please contact Chairman David or Secretary HarryH with numbers attending,  guests are welcome.

2) There was a good attendance for Remembrance Day. The 100th Anniversary  of the Armistice declared in 1918.

Our thanks to the President and Committee of the FNMC for organising the occasion.

3) Get Together 2019   Anyone with a location they would like to visit pass it on to David or HarryH

4)  Chairman David outlined the reason and methodology of gofunding. In this case for a medication that may prolong Charlie Greensmith’s life. The cost of the medication is $63,000.Which is a lot of money to find. So a gofund site was set up. Individuals may wish to donate to the fund. It was decided as the lunch is all donated the equivalent to the monies that would have been collected be donated to the fund. This was agreed to. Individuals also offered to donate.

.Chairman David Lines Thanked Ann and John Horner for donating the home made Christmas pudding, brandy sauce, shortbreads and mince pies. Thank you John and Ann.

A Big Thank you to Joan and Harry  Kimefor preparing and serving the delicious lunch. Joan and and Harry managed to defrost a 6.2kg turkey from when David dropped the turkey off on Monday to a delicious meal on Wednesday. Also Joan and Harry donated and cooked the vegetables donated the “nibbles”, and decorated the tables very festive. Harry Kime and Mark kinder for bar service. Janet and David Lines for supplying the turkey and ham, and all who donated ingredients for lunch.

Chairman Thanked everyone for attending and making it an enjoyable occasion, and declared Up Spirits for a Christmas Tot or drink

The Loyal Toast was made

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There is no meeting in December so we hope to see you all and any guests at the Kick off Meeting at the FNMC  Seven Bells (11:30hrs.)on Sunday 20th.. January 2019

Regards – Harry Harrison

The Chairman’s Christmas message: – To all Victorian members, I thank you for your support throughout 2018 to both myself and Harry Harrison, as we have said before, it is you the members that make this Association, and it is you that have helped us make the decisions we have needed to make throughout the year, and this includes the get together held at Cadell on the Murray. Everybody had a say in this, and I think that those who attended not only from Victoria, but also Australia Wide and N.Z. made this a worthwhile A laugh and a bit of fun go a long way to enjoying yourselves. We look forward to 2019, and planning a getaway later in the year, to wherever YOU decide. It leaves me to say, I hope you All have a very Merry Christmas and a Healthy, Happy New Year. See you all on the 20th. January 2019 for lunch at the FNMC. From David and Janet

As me move into the festive season and approach a brand New Year we remember those who CTB during the last year and all those suffering medical problems So when you raise a glass or two remember the good health to all and our absent friends. Harry Harrison Secretary

Change of President

Charlie Greensmith has now handed over the reins to Graham “Scotty” Slaney, Scotty is a new member who served at HMS GANGES in 1974-75 before continuing his training as a Stores Accountant at HMS PEMBROKE in Chatham, he first went to sea onboard the Leander Class frigate, HMS NAIAD in 1976, where instead of sailing for the Far east he found himself bouncing around the Icelandic Coast Guard Vessels who were determined to destroy the fishing of the Hull and Grimsby trawlers.

In 1978 he was posted to HMS ARROW, a Type 21 frigate onboard which he finally saw the Far East visiting Australia, New Zealand, Singapore and Indonesia as well as several Pacific Islands. It was during this deployment that Scotty decided to transfer to the Royal Australian Navy which he managed to do in 1980. In October 1980 he joined HMAS CERBERUS and in late 81 joined HMAS SNIPE – the ex HMS ALCASTON, after leaving SNIPE Scotty joined Clearance Diving Team One at HMAS WATERHEN and in 1986 was posted to HMAS STIRLING in Western Australia, he also served onboard HMAS GERALDTON (FCPB), HMAS SYDNEY (FFG), HMAS TARAKAN (LCH) and HMAS MELBOURNE (FFG).  Posted to HMAS KUTTABUL, Scotty paid off after a total of 28 years service withy the rank of Chief Petty Officer.

 

He now resides in Kirra, (near Coolangatta QLD) with his partner Sue.

Cmdr Hugh Willis R.N Rtrd.

CMDR HUGH A.N.WILLIS RN. Rtrd.

15th Feb 2017

It is with regret another Ganges boy has crossed the bar.

Cmdr. Willis joined Ganges in 1949 served 7yrs on the lower deck before becoming an officer, serving 36yrs all up.

He retired to Australia in 1996, went to live in Caloundra Queensland.

He wrote and had published an acclaimed book titled “The Bosuns Call” which is still available to purchase.Although not active in the local Division Hugh kept a healthy interest in the Ganges Association.

Our condolences go to Linda and the family.

May he find fair wind and safe harbour.

 

 

EXTRA ORDINARY MEETING

NEW STATE CREST

AT LONG LAST A GET TOGETHER

THERE WILL BE A SHORT MEETING

FOLLOWED BY LUNCH AND

LAMP SWINGING.

B.Y.O. DRINKS

26TH MARCH 2017,

THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT MEETING SO PLEASE BE THERE

THE VENUE: KEN AND LINDA’S

FOR DETAILS CONTACT CHARLIE

 

TO ALL OUR READERS AN APOLOGY

DUE TO THE HOSPITALISATION OF THE WEB MASTER, THE WEB PAGE HAS BEEN SOMEWHAT NEGLETED HOWEVER HE HAS NOW BEEN RELEASED AND WILL TRY TO GET SOME RELEVANT INFO TO YOU ALL AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

BY THE WAY A BELATED HAPPY NEW YEAR

REMEMBERENCE DAY 2016

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THEY SHALL GROW NOT OLD,

AS WE THAT ARE LEFT GROW OLD:

AGE SHALL NOT WEARY THEM,

NOR THE YEARS CONDEMN.

AT THE GOING DOWN OF THE

SUN

AND IN THE MORNING

WE WILL REMEMBER THEM.

LEST WE FORGET

 

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